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Indian melting-pot: migrations since the origins...

The Tziganes research made me curious: someone told me that actually Tziganes had populated India!! It is quite not accurate, though India is a real melting pot, and this since prehistoric times! 

I made a small synthesis of all that… (and that was not easy!)



At the beginning there was nothing.

Then there was the Indus civilization – about which we apparently don’t know much.

And after that there was a big mess.



Here is how it goes (please tell me if I got it wrong!):


§          Indus civilization

§          Invasion of Indus valley by the Aryens of Bactria (around 1000 BC).

§          Invasion of Indus valley  by the Persians (end of the 6th century BC)

§          Invasion of Indus valley by the Greeks who kept coming and leaving (from 325 to 50 BC) during the local Maurya dynasty (325 to 187 BC).

§          Invasion by the Indo-European tribes coming from China (the Yue Tché and the white Huns) (from 45 to 550).

§          Muslim dominations alternately between the Turks and the Afghans (from 997 to 1526).

§          Turko-Mughal dominations (from 1526 to 1857, year when the last Mughal emperor died).

§          European invasions (first Portuguese (1535) then Danish, French and British).


An approximative map (by myself):






To know more, download the full file: Migrations to India from the origns to 1860.pdf

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So the Tziganes? Are they from India??

india,gypsies,origin,tziganesDuring centuries their origin remained a mystery. The most eccentric assumptions were made. They were the children of Adam and a woman before Eve, the descendants of the Telamones (from Northern Africa), the sons of a lost tribe of Israel?


Today the experts seem to recognize unanimously the Indian origin of the Tziganes. The linguists have confirmed that the language of the Tziganes was close to the "Hindi-rajasthani" Sanskrit and that it had gotten enriched during their trips with words borrowed from the vocabularies of the countries they crossed.


We don’t know the reasons of their departure of India around the IXth and Xth centuries. (According to texts partly from history and partly from legend, a few thousands of Tziganes (called then "Zott", " Rom" or "Dom") would have been sent by a king of India to his cousin the king of Persia to show him their talent of musicians.)


Their first migrations led them to the north of the Indus towards Iran, Greece and Europe via the Byzantine empire. The presence of the Tziganes is clearly attested in Constantinople in 1150. Since they were established for a long time in the Byzantine empire, their language became very influenced by Greek.

It is in August 1419 that they are spotted in France in Châtillon-on-Chalaronne. In the XIVth century the Roms started to come to Central Europe.


Sources :; ;


Faith kills

 Everyone has by now heard of the recent attacks (on July 13th) in Mumbai. Toll: 18 dead people. They can do better… No provocation here; Indians have proved their expertise in terrorism and if you see the scale of previous attacks, they could really have made more damage. If the idea is to terrorize, they have a long way to go. Once passed the initial shock of “I could have been there” and “fuck not again”, life took over almost immediately. Moreover, nobody has yet claimed the attack though it is most probably for religious purpose.

PS: National religious terrorism makes India rank 6th among the countries more at the risk of the terrorist threat (2001: 5,839 victims, 2010: 1,902).


More fatal, the Amarnath Yatra. Two weeks after the opening of the pilgrimage – which Emilie and myself were supposed to do this year, already 51 pilgrims died. All that to go and worhsip a frozen giant penis (of Shiva). No no, no blasphemy here. Pilgrims face the cold, the rain, the altitude to go see one of the most sacred lingams of India.


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